John - (laughs) Well, how many videos ... It's just a typical thing to do for a video like that. It ends with Jesus on the cross or me holding a crucifix or something like that. What I mean is that we can really kind of put no thought or no effort into saying so much at a time. It becomes so typical that, in the artistic or poetic sense, it ends up not meaning anything. Not that it doesn't mean anything and obviously there's nothing wrong with a video with Jesus on the cross or something like that. Obviously it's good. It's a good message. But in terms of who it's going to reach, it's reaching Christian people because that visual is so overdone in the world that it doesn't really reach the world. Now, that's not talking about something like the movie "The Passion" or something like that. But that's something that's not really been done. So a movie comes out like that and I think it really hits society. You know what I mean? Because it's something that hasn't been done over and over. In terms of like a Christian video, it's the same way that like a Christian song might say something like... let's say I just wrote a song today that's... you know like I've been in Christian music my whole life, so let's say something like this ... (I can't think of a good idea now). Maybe it's called, I'm a Hater or something. So the whole song says I'm a hater and then the last chorus changes 'cuz you find Christ and then the song says I'm not a hater. It becomes so typical. Like you just know. Sometimes I can hear a Christian song, from the first verse, hear the first chorus, and I tell Kori, all right baby, this song is gonna say this "I'm not a something". It just becomes so typical that it doesn't really affect the world anymore. And that's what I mean - is that it's your token Christian video. The obvious thing to do for Savior - let's put a uh ... you know what I mean. It's like, no matter how obvious those lyrics could ever be ... like I told somebody the song's called Savior and I think the lyrics are kind of clear what it's about. I told somebody in an interview, I was like, you know, some Christians will be mad that it's called Savior 'cuz it's not called Jesus Christ, The Savior. You know? And if it was called Jesus Christ, The Savior, some people would be mad that it wasn't called Jesus Christ, The Son of God, The Savior the World. (laughs) I mean, I'm being a little bit facetious, but it's really true. It's like, in the end, it can never be clear enough for some people. I think... of course, I wasn't trying, about Kiss Me, to be mean to any one particular ... but it is the kind of thing that you think, you know what, it is a good song and they're good people, all those kind of things. And that's really good. But it is, let's be honest, is this really about a message or is it just good? I think that there's room for both of those things. But I don't think it's good to kind of deceive ourselves into thinking that we're doing something that we're not. But I do need to say this, because I wouldn't ever want to say that ... just to be clear about what I was talking about ... I wasn't just talking about a song in general. I wasn't talking about something like P.O.D.'s Rock the Party. It's obviously not like a Christian song. I mean it's not like a Christian message but obviously P.O.D. will affect people in their lives and those kinds of things. I was just talking about, in like a song perspective.
Kim - I know that you have made several comments in the past about how you want your music to "promote everything that radical Christianity stands for. Uncompromised Christian life, evangelism and worship". Do you really feel like Collide, even though musically, it's a killer album, promotes evangelism in any way since the words God, Jesus and Christ don't appear even once? Not that I think you have to have the word Jesus in every line of every lyric, but you can get the point across without overkill.
John - I think there's a few issues. For instance, I've always thought our mission was to promote radical Christianity and that's me talking about what I think that is. Now, I'm not really so sure how possible it is to have one album that does all of those things. For instance, Collide isn't really an album about worship in terms of ... you know what I'm trying to say. It's certainly not a corporate worship album in any way.
